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[Pooch]

  besides this case I haven't heard of any other instance where African Americans have been put down.

Go to your nearest Social Security office and ask all the black people there how the job hunt goes. Then go and ask all the black people in jail if you think they've been 'put down' or not.

[gmorgan]

You know I sort of expect this inherent white defensiveness and subconcious racism from the Euro-American public in general, but it's quite suprising to see it on a forum which wouldn't exist were it not for Black American culture.

For me, the case is not about race. Sure, I like Odd Future's music, but I don't rely on racial bias or stereotypes to determine the events of the case. I am not against any African Americans, or the population in general, I would have the same feelings if Trayvon had been a white kid.

[gmorgan]

Go to your nearest Social Security office and ask all the black people there how the job hunt goes. Then go and ask all the black people in jail if you think they've been 'put down' or not.

I couldn't answer these questions, because I have only lived in one place for my life. African Americans thrive in school and the work place just as well as Caucasians, Asians, Hispanics, and all other races where I live. As for other cities, I don't know. I imagine all of those hypothetical people in jail would be there for a crime they did in fact commit.

[Pooch]

For me, the case is not about race. Sure, I like Odd Future's music, but I don't rely on racial bias or stereotypes to determine the events of the case. I am not against any African Americans, or the population in general, I would have the same feelings if Trayvon had been a white kid.

This wouldn't be a national story if he were a white kid. This might not have happened were he a white kid. Republicans usually use that catchphrase when there's a story which has a racial element; 'It's not really a race issue for me' Well good for you, but for the rest of society it is a race issue, so stop hiding behind rhetoric.

[Pooch]

 I imagine all of those hypothetical people in jail would be there for a crime they did in fact commit.

Yeah right and all businessmen are honest, I ALWAYS wear a condom and justice is fair.

[gmorgan]

This wouldn't be a national story if he were a white kid. This might not have happened were he a white kid. Republicans usually use that catchphrase when there's a story which has a racial element; 'It's not really a race issue for me' Well good for you, but for the rest of society it is a race issue, so stop hiding behind rhetoric.

The morals behind what happened are racially fueled for sure, and I do not doubt that. But the crime itself that was committed, should not be about race. Morals and thoughts cannot be used as evidence in a trial. The actions that occurred, no matter the race are what counts.

 

The reason Zimmerman's racial bias, which I am fully acknowledging, was used in the court was to determine his actions. He could not be sentenced because he suspected something of Trayvon due to his race. 

[gmorgan]

Yeah right and all businessmen are honest, I ALWAYS wear a condom and justice is fair.

Okay, I admit, there are plenty of mistrials in the United States. But imagine at this point in time, after the development of tolerance in society after slavery and segregation, the same number of mistrials would be involved in crimes with a Caucasian defendant. 

[Pooch]

The morals behind what happened are racially fueled for sure, and I do not doubt that. But the crime itself that was committed, should not be about race. Morals and thoughts cannot be used as evidence in a trial. The actions that occurred, no matter the race are what counts.

It sohuldn't be, because it is. The reason it is is pretty simple. Despite the fact that the civil rights movement was half a lifetime ago and the President is a black man, there is still an inherent racist culture in the United States and this was merely a tipping point. Like I said three pages back, the case itself did not reach national stature because of the case itself, it's because of what the case represents.

[Pooch]

Okay, I admit, there are plenty of mistrials in the United States. But imagine at this point in time, after the development of tolerance in society after slavery and segregation, the same number of mistrials would be involved in crimes with a Caucasian defendant. 

Well that would be peachy, but it's not the case.

[gmorgan]

It sohuldn't be, because it is. The reason it is is pretty simple. Despite the fact that the civil rights movement was half a lifetime ago and the President is a black man, there is still an inherent racist culture in the United States and this was merely a tipping point. Like I said three pages back, the case itself did not reach national stature because of the case itself, it's because of what the case represents.

 

I agree with what you're saying that the consequences of the verdict were not the result of this case alone, but many in the past. The point I was trying to make was that Zimmerman should be tried for his actions, not his motives.

Well that would be peachy, but it's not the case.

The problem with responding to that particular point is that there is no way to get an answer. There is no way to determine what is or is not a mistrial, so I would find it hard to form an opinion on a point that lacks any statistics.

[Pooch]

I agree with what you're saying that the consequences of the verdict were not the result of this case alone, but many in the past. The point I was trying to make was that Zimmerman should be tried for his actions, not his motives.

Well sure, but that in itself if one of the larger issues that caused this scenario to be in the public eye, that of gun laws. If his actions were as Zimmerman claimed then he acted within the law, but whether the law is justified is the issue.

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[gmorgan]

Well sure, but that in itself if one of the larger issues that caused this scenario to be in the public eye, that of gun laws. If his actions were as Zimmerman claimed then he acted within the law, but whether the law is justified is the issue.

I'm not following which law you are referring to. The right to carry arms, or the right to defend yourself by using a firearm?

[KHALED]

zimmer dodged a bullet

 

trayvon didnt though

 

[Pizza face]

All I know is that he will instinctively get someone to guard him 24/7 because one of these days an angry person is gonna straight up execute him.

[vomitspit]

[vomitspit]

Everyone's a fucking expert coz they read the news.

LOL

[Pooch]

I'm not following which law you are referring to. The right to carry arms, or the right to defend yourself by using a firearm?

Firearms laws in general. But yeah the stand your ground law was the law in question here.

[Pooch]

 

 

Everyone's a fucking expert coz they read the news.

LOL

Well I mean Zimmerman was given a trail by jury so your hilarious joke doesn't compute.

[Grace]

Wow...and yet again the fucking President interjects on this issue, and in a way that essentially contradicts the jury's decision. Holy shit.

 

Every time I see a riot photo it just pisses me off. In addition to riots inconveniencing/harming normal people 10x more than law enforcement (i.e. blocking highways and destroying private property), all I can think when I look at those crowds is, "I'm willing to bet a giant chunk of these people don't vote." I think the stats are that between 18 and 24, only like 40% of those people vote. That might be a weird direction to take my mind. I guess I just go to alternatives to stupid shit like rioting to make people feel like they're actually doing something.

 

Meanwhile, can anybody name even one victim of the Boston bombing off the top of their head? How many 10-year-olds got killed in Chicago this weekend? Gotta love that national news cycle. Piss people off enough and maybe you can do coverage of riots for a week!

[yawkkk]

well he was asking the kid where he was going trayvon didnt need to be such a prick about it..he could have said mind your own buiesnes or im going home but no he swore and attacked..

You are a fucking moron

[yawkkk]

This thread is basically Pooch and Bleach being real. Almost everyone else looks like an uneducated racist bigot.

I'm out

[Henry Krinkle]

Wow...and yet again the fucking President interjects on this issue, and in a way that essentially contradicts the jury's decision. Holy shit.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly but from what I've read Obama accepted the acquittal. I'm failing to understand how anything Obama said is essentially a contradiction of the jury's decision.

I'm stumped, Grace - fucking stumped!

[Pooch]

Wow...and yet again the fucking President interjects on this issue, and in a way that essentially contradicts the jury's decision. Holy shit.

 

Every time I see a riot photo it just pisses me off. In addition to riots inconveniencing/harming normal people 10x more than law enforcement (i.e. blocking highways and destroying private property), all I can think when I look at those crowds is, "I'm willing to bet a giant chunk of these people don't vote." I think the stats are that between 18 and 24, only like 40% of those people vote. That might be a weird direction to take my mind. I guess I just go to alternatives to stupid shit like rioting to make people feel like they're actually doing something.

 

Meanwhile, can anybody name even one victim of the Boston bombing off the top of their head? How many 10-year-olds got killed in Chicago this weekend? Gotta love that national news cycle. Piss people off enough and maybe you can do coverage of riots for a week!

Okay, if you're talking about the obscure right wing article that's making it's rounds stating that Obama is making this a federal case, then I have to say that is a ridiculous way to get your information. That article had no sources and happily claimed in the article itself that it was biased and right wing. Also I can find no other articles to back up this story, the only other articles are stating that civil rights groups are requesting this to be made into a federal case. Shame on you Grace. You didn't even post said article anyway, which is bad form.

 

Okay, but voting is a pretty pedestrian and in western democracy, useless, way to do anything. At least rioting proves a point. As for inconveniencing 'normal' people, well 'normal' people are middle class Anglo-Saxon males, so I don't see your point. In a country where minorities are oppressed every day, inconeniencing normal people is one way of getting your point across when all other forms have been used. In fact you could say that the POINT of striking and rioting is to inconvenience 'normal' people as much as possible under the hope that said people will pay more attention to the case. Whether this actually happens or not is debatable however.

 

You're right, we should get back to being scared of those darn brownskins in overthereland! They're the real problem, not the crumbling of western society...

[KHALED]

[Pooch]

For anyone who has just got too many brain cells and wishes to get rid of a few, this, I believe, is the article to which Grace is referring:

http://nationalrepor...trayvon-martin/

 

 

EDIT:

 

Oh and just to show the top notch news reporting that this website has, let's look at the front page

 

http://nationalreport.net

 

 BREAKING… Negro Vigilantes Vow Vengeance After Trayvon Martin Verdict

 

Oh, oh dear God no. It's NEGRO VIGILANTES.

[Grace]

Okay, if you're talking about the obscure right wing article that's making it's rounds stating that Obama is making this a federal case, then I have to say that is a ridiculous way to get your information. That article had no sources and happily claimed in the article itself that it was biased and right wing. Also I can find no other articles to back up this story, the only other articles are stating that civil rights groups are requesting this to be made into a federal case. Shame on you Grace. You didn't even post said article anyway, which is bad form.

 

Okay, but voting is a pretty pedestrian and in western democracy, useless, way to do anything. At least rioting proves a point. As for inconveniencing 'normal' people, well 'normal' people are middle class Anglo-Saxon males, so I don't see your point. In a country where minorities are oppressed every day, inconeniencing normal people is one way of getting your point across when all other forms have been used. In fact you could say that the POINT of striking and rioting is to inconvenience 'normal' people as much as possible under the hope that said people will pay more attention to the case. Whether this actually happens or not is debatable however.

 

You're right, we should get back to being scared of those darn brownskins in overthereland! They're the real problem, not the crumbling of western society...

Oh Lord...are you interested in discussing this, or would you just like to stuff words into my mouth and put a dunce cap on my head?

 

Let's just make this simple. You're right, the only people who get stuck in traffic jams are white men. I also hate black people! I want all black children to be murdered!

 

That's what you wanted me to do, right? Can I expect my cookie in the mail?

 

[Grace]

And just to clarify, no, I wasn't referring to the DOJ civil rights charges. I wasn't even alluding to it.

 

But thanks for setting up the most obvious strawman argument I've ever seen!

[Henry Krinkle]

I'd still like to know how anything Obama has said on the verdict is a contradiction of the jury's decision.

Does it have something to do with the new threat of the Negro Vigilantes perhaps?

[Pooch]

Oh Lord...are you interested in discussing this, or would you just like to stuff words into my mouth and put a dunce cap on my head?

 

Let's just make this simple. You're right, the only people who get stuck in traffic jams are white men. I also hate black people! I want all black children to be murdered!

 

That's what you wanted me to do, right? Can I expect my cookie in the mail?

 

 

Hey honey, you're the one putting the dunce cap on your head.

 

At least you're being honest about your allegiances for once.

 

 

Okay listen sugar, this isn't a strawman, you made some obscure reference to Obama 'interjecting on this issue' without any reference to what the interjection was. I made a natural assumption given your tendencies to just ape whatever right wing blog is popular this morning and the fact that the only website I've seen claiming Obama's interference was the one I linked. But I would be delighted for you to clarify what the hell you're talking about.